Let us know if you want to join the private sleuthing site where we can talk about this stuff in much greater detail than we do out here. You can tell by many things gait, body shape, manner of walking, voice, etc. This had been done on other occasions, at least one other we know of in the 2000s. I dont know what these names mean. Yes, they would be looking for it, because if you know computers etc. They were reported missing two hours after they didn't show up for their ride home, and their bodies were found the following day about half a mile away from the bridge. There were definitely some perverse acts done to these girls, but I believe they were done to them after they were already dead. Williams was a little quieter but open with her friends and hoping to go into . This man deserves to be caught and get death penalty. Tell her I said HAVE A NICE DAY! 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. I wish I could delete this comment because it made no sense. There was an early raid on the Indiana Packers plant in Delphi that was done by LE. Ill leave it up to you to believe what you want to believe. And I appear quite harmless, too. The sketch of the younger man is the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat. Cop: Come on, man, we know you did it. There is 0% chance they have anything anyways. I really dont see a motive for RL. Answers to questions about my credibility. I doubt it. Education history: Primary and junior high unknown. (The person from the FB post that is) their bodies were quite close to water. Would love to join the private group. Garrett said he hopes investigators went to all of the local gun stores to see their records of sales of .40-caliber-type weapons. According to Business Insider senior reporter and co-founder of The Murder Sheet podcast, ine Cain, Libby had an interaction with Kline on Instagram but thought she was interacting with the person in a photo Kline posted as himself, in an attempt to catfish young girls into sending nude photos. You dont have LE sources. Did he see BG? His home was searched and he was arrested shortly after the killings, but he was released and never charged. Its more secure. But its definitely him! Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasnt even risen to that level yet. They always came home. He was searching for the girls. One person wins and everyone else loses. I think he may have had over 1,000 photos/videos on his drives or possibly more. Also we have excellent sources inside the police with officers who are very close to the investigation. Its a very rare occurrence, only 1.3% of the victims is left in an unusual, corrected position. At least two prior marriages. I read through it early on, saw interesting stuff and then later came back and tried to find the interesting stuff but got lost. Allen "has been consistent" in police interviews over the years, former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett said. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! Isnt that logical. I have one more message for you. Its not free though. I think cycles finally straighten out at age 15. Anything that shows they crossed the creek that evening. 2/13, 2:13, 2-13. Some of it, I feel, is the result of intentional obfuscation. My money is on an edged weapon. We obtained this document via a public records request. Not important? There appears to be no mention of the Delphi murders or any information linking Kline to the case. The FBI has released a description for the suspect, which is that he is a white male between 5'6" and 5'8" tall. He could offend today in say, Ohio and offend in Illinois and be in his journey back home to commit more offenses. Id rather not look into the NHI* (no humans involved) cases in the ghetto where one group of scumbags shoots up some other group of scumbags. Anyway, pastor in a Pentecostal church would be a perfect place for a man like that because those religious people dont care much about Alpha, Beta, and all that stuff. DELPHI - The year 2021 should be filled with cap & gowns, graduation parties, and college choices for Libby German and Abby Williams. Few of the illustrious Delphi Murders Youtubers has touched the real truth about this case as laid out in this website, probably because they are all narcissists who hate each other and hate anyone stealing their thunder. I heard that at the 2019 conference, she burst into tears. Unverified. Otherwise why do we have religions? Why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys? Garrett said he's solved homicide cases that way, because typically a perpetrator buys a gun legally near his or her home, he said. In an interview with DailyMail.com in 2021, Chadwell's brother characterized him as being 'pure evil,' and more than capable of the Delphi murders. As far as the serial killer theory goes, I believe there's a good chance BG is already a serial killer or someone who will one day be a serial killer. One thing I always have to remind myself of is that LE is allowed to lie to the public. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. That mod who runs the Libby/Abby Subreddit where LK hosted his Q&A and whom he specifically references (and per himself has given her proof of his real identity) seems to be indicating that LK is not who he claims to be. In all four instances, people arrived at their conclusions independently of the other party. Oh, one more thing. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now. There are men going down on this all the time all over the US. But it's just speculation at this point, because nothing has been confirmed. The gun is a rare collectors item, possibly a .40mm. Because of the number of people saying this rumor is true, it goes into the likely category. Text messages have been circulating online regarding the case, as has speculation about some of the evidence that is being kept under wraps. Im also sure that its used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification. However, there are some good posters, especially on r/LibbyandAbby. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. Q&A with Tara and Becky. BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene, thereby eliminating most if not all of the usable DNA. I must have the wrong name for your POI? Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files? Expunged just means taken out of public records. Please do not report this due to it discussing a rumor. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. Yes, the police have told us that they now think that Bridge Guy or Mr. X did Evansdale too. I have seen very poor crime scene photos. It is important to note that you are under no obligation to tell the police anything. Thats what we want to talk to him about when our investigators go out there again. Many people from the Delphi area have gone over to went over to Evansdale to work on plants over there. Bottom line is the quality of our sources has increased dramatically over time. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the show's founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesday's "Crime Stories" to discuss the case. The girls bodies were discovered on his . Unfortunately, its not free. They werent that close. Keep perusing to discover what the supposed Delphi Murders leaked text messages are about. The FBI can also be used to determine whether there was a danger to the community and the impact of it on the community. There are cases like this all over the country. There are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides in the same category. My understanding was that an FBI agent was visiting family in Delphi and assisted in the search when he heard about it (as it is a very small town, most people heard about the girls missing that night and the search the night they failed to return); FBI agent assists in search as essentially a volunteer, and when it becomes apparent by late night - early morning that there may be something more sinister than the girls simply getting lost, he assisted with request of local authorities (as is required unless it is w/in FBI jurisdiction, as this was not) with getting the FBI to the scene the next morning. In the actual footage you can see flash bulbs popping off, presumably taking pics of the scene. An updated sketch for the suspect was released in April of 2019, and no further information about his appearance has been publicly shared. DELPHI, Ind. These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. I cant see where this is! Urinating is no problem, but what if he had to defecate? I see T. Neighboring state. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. Finally, after five long years, the Indiana State Police has charged a 50-year-old local man with the Delphi murders of two teenage best friends, Libby German and Abby Williams. How many journalists do you know who actually went to J-school and have J-degrees? That is the exact location whereLibby German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, filmed an unidentified man approaching them on the day of their February 2017 deaths. (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. Thomas Bruce, a former pastor, was charged with fatally shooting one woman and sexually assaulting two others at aCatholic Supply store in St. Louis, Missouri, in November 2018. Train tracks and you guessed it, more fields, parallel to the gas station. Your email address will not be published. Delphi, Indiana, police have been notoriously tight-lipped about the killings of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams since the first news conference after the girls were found dead in February 2017. It's a strange case. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG I think BG was a teenagerWhat if BG escaped on a hand glider?What if BG is dead?What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?What if BG is really a woman in drag?What if BG is Mafia hitman?Bla bla bla bla.. Of course, we know now that they were killed but as far as LE was concerned, that very night, those girls were alive and may have been in desperate need of assistance. Rumor is that Abbys was pink. They recovered Libbys phone, so they wouldnt still be looking for the audio/video. Investigators seized several devices, but Kline contacted them a few days later about a device they hadnt seized. Seeing as there were multiple signatures left at the scene, I'm inclined to believe the killer(s) both posed the bodies and staged the crime scene. A double asterisk means the information is proven by case documents in our possession. Good advice. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Powered By WordPress | Royal News Magazine, Takeoff: Killed| How Did Die| Funeral| Age| Latest Net Worth Update, Billie Eilish: Hallowen Costume| Costume 2022| Jesse Rutherford Costume. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. The manner of death has never been revealed. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. Kelsi German has been cleared. You want me to put it up? Victim was an 8-12 year old female. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. Little if any good information comes out of these places. Gas station attendant noticed something off with him, but hasnt made the connection! Were they are waiting for God Himself to come bring the keys? Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? Marital status: Married, rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together. Just another character who got caught with CP. We may or may not have from 1-8 more official case documents from this case. The girls sleep in because they had been up late. The judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right, if only to protect the due process rights of the accused. He passed away in 2020. But we have said many of the same things, which may be confirmation of my visions in a way. I get the impression that LE thought that this officer was lying and were trying to offer him some protection. There is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who is responsible for 5-10 child murders. Chilling photo uploaded to Facebook a year after Delphi murders shows arrested man's daughter, 28, pose in SAME spot where victims took final snaps . By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime. My background is nowhere near close to any qualifications for this. The boots appear to be Indiana Packers boots. Also, I was interested in whether you may be able to cover Harmony Montgomerys case? Its not clear how? Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. Theyre not looking at anyone else. He was also scared to join her group because I was in there and he was afraid of me. I find it notable that not much has been said about the danger to others, I think it has been said that it could not be excluded, but I have not seen any emphatic warnings. Investigators believe the man is the killer. He has reportedly filed a plea of not guilty and is being held without bond. One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? And possibly even other rapes and homicides. Been following your blog from the start, and this is so close to what I have been feeling for a while now. FSG didnt recognize him either, and Im sure that FSG and Mr. X knew each other. Investigators have been mostly mum on many case details but a redacted warrant provides a glimpse into information surrounding the murder scene, suspect, and victims. Press J to jump to the feed. Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. Five years ago today, in Delphi, Ind., two best friends, Abigail Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, went missing while on a hike through the city's . Did the girls have wet clothes where they were found? It's crazy some of the stuff people will make up for attention. Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. In the more than three years since the girls' tragic murders, very little evidence has been released about the case including the cause of death. 3 I dont know this man very well, but he wasnt in on this crime. You are apparently a better sleuth than I am. "You have this unspent shell casing near the victims' bodies, but you also have things that are really troubling to me: [The girls] are in one place and their clothes are in another. This year, Allen "again admitted" to police "that he was on the trail but denied knowing Victim 1 or Victim 2 and denied any involvement in their murders," according to the probable cause affidavit. I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow. FSG along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible lookouts for BG. A transcript of what they thought was being said was agreed on by this group. And I seriously doubt that any of those POIs have access to all of those sensitive case documents or that any of them have a personality like that. Of course they would look for that. FSG, or DMC: Probably shouldnt use his real name, but hes on everybodys suspect list. "When asked about the unspent bullet, [Allen] did not have an explanation of why the bullet was found between" the girls' bodies, the probable cause affidavit said. A user allegedly shared them on a FB group a few days ago. Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said the information in the probable cause affidavit is "self-explanatory" and declined to comment further. The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. What do they mean hes just a decoy? Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. He has connections with current LE officers. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. Would be interesting to know if Garett Kirts was on Ron Logans property that day. Sex workers talk, rumours saved a lot of workers in Vancouver during Picktons reign of terror. His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. Forgive me if Ive missed this, but whats keeping police from arresting this guy? Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. Its true by process of elimination. I believe Mr. X is the guy. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. . The two dates are perfect reversals of one another. I would think a crime like this would occur and the perpetrator would be gone. I wont reveal who I am talking about here though it should be obvious. Im sure that was a LOL feeling for him. These two men, driving in the younger mans black truck with pink stripe, were witnessed in the vicinity on or near the cemetery road at approximately 5:30 AM February 14, 2017. In my experience, this points to chicanery. Forgive me if someone else posted this.but the FBI was called in immediately. You cannot keep your own story straight. Since Libby and Abby were young, and the perpetrator is between 18 and 40, according to the statistics would that indicate a possible attempt to thwart the investigation? Multiple, multiple deep stab wounds.. While we see a giant plush bear, thats too weird, so we will defer to the search party lady and agree with her statement. Despite mention of a gun, it's not clear if Abby or Libby died from gunshot wounds. Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. These photos were posted years ago by Robert Lindsey. Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. We are very worried that the police may be trying to pin this crime on Kegan and Tony Kline and we know neither one is involved. There are some absolutely fascinating old rumors on there that I have never heard before, mostly having to do with Young BG and his possible presence or involvement at the crime scene. Notice that BG committed his crime with large knives or hatchets, his preferred weapon. Thats going to be very hard for him to explain. They all go off and do their own work. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. Garrett said he doesn't understand why it took police so many years to match an unspent round from the crime scene to a gun owned by a man who lives in Delphi. He could have worn those boots over his jeans, and he wouldnt have gotten wet. In the years since Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, there have been no arrests. Recently, multiple local sources with knowledge have opened up to share that this was a hit ordered by a very powerful businessman who runs a criminal operation that some say is akin to a mafia-style family outfit. I think what you meant to say is that the Supreme Court ruled that if the police lie to a suspect during an interrogation, his eventual admission of guilt can be considered by the jury. Five years later, Abigail Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were taken into custody Friday five years after Allen, 50, was found dead on a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, in February 2017. I am thinking of reasons why the FBI was immediately involved and now the focus is not on a possible interstate killer. Police still have not released their causes of death. Today we will Discuss about Delphi murders: Crime Scene| Press Conference Update| Bodies Posed. youre smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping. The only case I am familiar with is the Bittaker-Norris Murders in Southern California. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. However, an interesting theory is that BG may have attempted to frame Ron Logan with this crime for obscure reasons. Theres only one parent. That can only mean one thing. They act like Im sort of deranged psychopathic maniac whos a danger to women and children. Over the summer, the details of a search warrant revealed that Libby and Abigail were found covered in blood, and that their killer appeared to have taken a souvenir of some sort from the murder site. Ages approximate. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? Even if somehow she didnt know about some surrounding neighbors, couldnt LE just show her (or FSG or the bickering couple in the park etc,) a pic of Mr. X and get verification that way? We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. Hmm . One of our team members talked to a detective in Kentucky a couple of years ago who told us about this expunged conviction. Never knew what the case was against this man other than that he had property near the bridge, and he and his wifes alibi of being out of the state traveling got a bit mangled. Clothing soaked in blood, seen and unseen. Interesting. A sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene, possibly hung from a tree. Welcome to the site! We do indeed have documents from the case. If the early rumor is true, and Abby was posed fully clothed as if asleep, it might indicate some remorse or "undoing" by the killer. German was your usual extrovert, with a dream of one day becoming a science teacher. So I held off. Theres no woman among them. 8) He drives an older model Ford Ranger type of truck. The dots connecting back to Iowa with the Tyson plant etc is great investigative work. Horrible. Any context? You had mentioned in one of your blogs not being sure what he did for a living. He hunted deer on RLs land all the time. Anyhow on YT one of the titles says former cheerleader. Not that thats necessarily relevant to the case, just that one of your pics above makes more sense now lol. Calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really, really bad choice. , updated Delphi Murders Update April 13, 2021: Stunning Rumors about the Murders and Related Matters Now Officially Proven! Thats not very many. If this main POI isnt the bridge guy, he is definitely, without a doubt in my mind, involved in the murders of Abby and Libby in some form or fashion. BG is obviously a middle-aged man around 50. Thats a GoPro on BGs waist and he filmed his crime. So when LE said the younger sketch is the one who committed the crime, they were correct! Can we prove it? We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. Hunting partner of Anthony Greeno, podcaster who has reported on the case avidly. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. On March 5 th ,1987 Shirley Bailey went to visit her . If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? He took an undocumented deer trail and evaded the encountering of any individual upon his departure. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. The arrest of Allen could be the end of a years-long investigation during which numerous possible leads have led nowhere, and police have remained tight-lipped about details of the case. Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. They wanted the crime scene to appear like something it wasn't, which could hypothetically include posing the bodies. All I ask is that you say that our suspect is named Mr. X, and we absolutely refuse to identify this man. The 50-year-old from Delphi was taken into custody on Friday and booked into Carroll County Jail. The act of leaving a victim's body in an unusual position is a conscious criminal action by an offender to thwart an investigation, shock the finder and investigators of the crime scene, or give perverted pleasure to the killer. Can you spell out the name? Now, that does NOT necessarily indicate staging. I will say that Libbys birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful. The problem is that there is a main suspect in the case, and it is known that he was near the crime scene from 6:30 PM on the 13th until 9:30 PM on the 14th. Thank you I came here after being directed to you. DAs require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone. A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970s. That piece of information being leaked and generally accepted by the public doesnt do a damn thing to preserve the integrity of the investigation.. I didnt remove it. You write an article saying some guys not involved, and you get swamped with threats to track and hunt you down? Again, not saying that he did it. Several LE officials have said that Abby had a phone, whether with her or not is not known. Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. But who was his roomate in evansdale in the hotel they stayed in? "In a small town, in a place where there's a small amount of traffic on this abandoned railroad bridge your suspect pool is fairly small," Garrett said, so police likely concentrated their investigation on Delphi and the surrounding communities. Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting an egomaniac on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows. If Libby was treated and posed differently it could indicate she was the actual target. In addition, note that he abducted two girls on the 13th, 2-13. The dolls may have been placed there before the crime. Didnt he at the time live down the street from Logan? The bodies were found posed by the killer, who is believed to have been between five and ten feet tall and 180 to 200 pounds. She recorded them for a good six minutes and definitely longer. It was dark. So every time a kid gets killed in a sexual murder, LE goes looking for photos and videos of the murder because obviously everyone who kills a kid takes pics of it and videotapes it.

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